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Apple’s Frequent Update Experiment Has Failed – It’s Time for Another Snow Leopard

By Jim Tanous on January 15, 2015 at 11:58 AM • @mggjim

As many of you have by now heard and experienced, OS X Yosemite has its fair share of problems. Some of them are minor (not preserving non-native scaling at boot or wake on Retina Displays which causes saved user windows to open at the wrong size and position) and some of them are major (UI slowdowns and system freezes that require daily reboots to clear, or Wi-Fi connectivity issues). But the fact is that the list of bugs as of 10.10.1 (many of which are still present in the latest preview build of 10.10.2) is long and troubling, leading me to a realization this week: I no longer trust OS X. In fact, OS X Yosemite on both my 2013 Mac Pro and 2014 MacBook Pro is unusable in its current state.

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Unusable

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With the word unusable, I don’t mean that I can’t boot into the operating system (oh, that’s another thing: Yosemite takes 8 to 10 seconds longer to boot than Mavericks on the same hardware; not sure what that’s all about) or use it in a general sense. I mean that for productive work, I can’t trust it. I’ve had too many crashes, too many freezes, too many reboots to rely on the operating system to get my work done in a timely and efficient manner, and for me, that’s all that really matters in the end.

No new feature, technology, or interface tweak is worth diverting resources away from proper testing and quality control

I’ve long used both Windows and OS X, although I primarily rely on my Windows PCs for gaming and I generally prefer OS X for day-to-day work like writing, research, and video editing. But since Yosemite’s launch in October, a funny thing has happened: Windows 8.1 has become more enjoyable to use. I realized this week after working with my Windows PC from home for a few days due to illness that I didn’t have any of the frustrations or anxiety about work-destroying bugs that I’ve felt with Yosemite for the past three months. I’m not concerned with issues like the controversy over Metro, or the ability to easily create a video montage of my family in OS X. I’m talking about getting work done with apps like Chrome, Word, and Photoshop. In Windows, those apps and the overall operating system run great. In Yosemite, the entire experience is littered with bugs, slowdowns, and outright system lockups.

When I first started experiencing these issues with Yosemite, I feared they were hardware related. But some extensive testing with my old Mavericks volume revealed that it was Yosemite, not my hardware, that was the issue. I’m sure that Apple will eventually sort out most of the issues with Yosemite, but I’m also reminded that Mavericks had its fair share of quirks, too, even up to the very end.

The problem, I think, stems from Apple’s adoption of the yearly release cycle for operating system updates. The company adopted this approach in 2012, by releasing Mountain Lion just one year after Lion, and continued the practice with Mavericks (released about 15 months after Mountain Lion) and Yosemite (12 months). This was after Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard all enjoyed runs of 20 to 30 months each.

All of Apple’s products and software suffer from bugs of some kind, but the company’s missteps with Yosemite (not to mention iOS 8, which has its own share of problems) suggest that it can’t keep up with this new yearly cycle for major releases. I understand that technology is moving forward at an exponential pace, and that consumers are constantly eager for new features and new designs, but Apple has proven that it simply can’t handle this yearly pace. To release Yosemite in its current state is unacceptable, but the solution is easy: it’s time for another Snow Leopard.

No New Features

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John Siracusa / Ars Technica

At WWDC 2009, Apple’s then-Senior Vice President of Software Engineering, Bertrand Serlet, took the stage and announced something that he called “unprecedented” in the computing industry: the upcoming OS X Snow Leopard would have “no new features.” That wasn’t technically true, of course, but his point was that Apple was focusing on refining Leopard — fixing bugs, introducing under-the-hood improvements, and providing performance boosts across the board — rather than rolling out yet another set of end-user interface and functionality changes. It was indeed a bold move, but it paid off, and Snow Leopard is generally viewed as one of the best operating systems ever released by Apple.

It’s time to do that again. When Tim Cook and company convene this summer for WWDC 2015, I want nothing more than for current Software Engineering chief Craig Federighi to channel his French predecessor and promise to dedicate another year of Apple’s resources to making Yosemite as stable as possible. I know that the Mac contributes a relatively small amount to Apple’s overall bottom line, but the company’s most ardent supporters and developers rely on the platform. No new feature, technology, or interface tweak is worth diverting resources away from proper testing and quality control. That’s an important mindset that made Snow Leopard a great operating system, and it’s something Apple desperately needs right now.

Although Snow Leopard was a new operating system meant to replace Leopard, Yosemite’s short life thus far means we don’t even need a new operating system this year. Perhaps the best scenario is for Apple to announce that they’ve reached the pinnacle of desktop operating system design and just pledge to keep refining Yosemite with point updates for another 12 to 18 months.

Of course, Apple has its own pipeline with products and services that we aren’t yet privy to, and it’s unlikely that the company anticipated the poor performance and reliability of Yosemite (which itself speaks volumes). But if Apple announces this summer a brand new operating system filled with new features, they might as well name it “OS X Death Valley” and be done with it, because the company’s track record shows that they simply won’t be able to pull it off without a host of bugs and issues.

As for me, I still need to use Yosemite to keep up with TekRevue, but I’ll be sticking with my Mavericks boot volume for a bit longer for personal work. And when I’m looking for a stable and reliable computing platform, I’ll turn to Windows 8.1, an operating system that may not come close to OS X’s feature set, but one that has yet to ever crash or freeze on me. Oh, how the tables have turned.

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    Yes!

  • observer1959

    Wasn’t that around the time they started offering free OS upgrades also? There really is no reason why they just couldnt go back to the 18-24 month OS version release and just use the yearly thing to introduce a few really outstanding features that work on the current OS when released. Do we really need 200 new features every year?

    • TekRevue

      OS X wasn’t free until relatively recently, but the company started offering significantly cheaper prices at that time. Snow Leopard and Lion were both $30 each, Mountain Lion went to $20, and then Mavericks and Yosemite were free.

      Agreed about the priority on features. As I recall, something like the 10.6.6 update (which introduced the Mac App Store) is a great example of a major new feature coming to an existing version of OS X. Wish they would return to that mentality.

      • Todd

        Apple is trying the Regan cold war approach to ruining the soviet union, trying to make Windows look stupid because people are still running windows 98 or XP and trying to stay ahead in the phone market. Now is Apple going to have to bite the bullet and possibly catch up with windows and make a touch screen computer? Who knows, but I agree 10.6.8 was the epitome of Apple OS, and since then its been live with problems that just were not there before. Once iOS and OS X become essentially the same OS and that is behind us is over the stability will probably come back.

        • Matt Andrzejczuk

          Todd

          “catch up with windows and make a touch screen computer”

          catch up?? Dude Windows 8 was so bad that people working inside Microsoft called it “The New Vista”. Apple would never make a touchscreen desktop experience, that’s what the iPad is for. Also, Windows 8 OS has terrible market share because of how awful the touchscreen experience is on a Desktop.

          Windows 8 was a failure that Microsoft will have to yet again try to encourage people to forget about just like Vista and ME edition.

          • Philippe Frechette

            Windows 8 has a 4% market share, this is twice as much as every osx versions together, so yes apple is trying to catch up to window 8

          • Joe_HTH

            You’re an idiot and it’s obvious you’ve never even seen Windows 8, much less used it. So lets establish the facts.

            Windows 8 is a great OS that made two mistakes. Trying to force a touch OS onto laptop and desktop users and removing the Start menu. However, Windows 8 is superior to Windows 7 in every way. It’s faster, more secure, more stable, and it has a lower RAM footprint. It has a better desktop with an improved file explorer, as well as a better download and task manager. It beats Windows 7 in virtually every single benchmark.

            So suggest Windows 8 is bad is stupidity. It’s a vastly superior OS to OSX Yosemite. I’d suggest you educate yourself before you walk your dumb ass in here and spout off. No you can go back sucking off Apple.

        • William Burke

          Regan? Donald Regan?

    • William Burke

      I just want an OS X version that works. Yosemite is the nadir of Apple operating systems. Each update of Yosemite seems to solve no problems, and brings further problems. With 10.10.3, YouTube videos no longer play in Firefox (it’s true: I’ve always hated Safari). I’ve been so frustrated I’ve thought of selling my iMac and buying a Windows computer! And my first computer was an Apple in 1994, and they’re all I’ve ever bought.

      But the operating system seems almost an afterthought to Apple now, with sugar plum dreams of Apple watches on every other wrist (NO! NEVER!). They just have their minds elsewhere, and I’ve pretty much fed up.

  • nycmac.com

    Good job – as a Mac tech consultant, I see daily the frustrations of my clients who (often advertently) upgraded to Yosemite. The analogy to Snow Leopard about features vs. stability is spot on.

  • misno

    Yosemite works perfect on all my machines. Maybe you need to clean up yours?

    • TekRevue

      Same issues with (multiple) clean installs on both machines. Believe me, I’ve tried everything for the past three months. No dice.

    • Steve Harris

      Total agreement and I was a guinea pig On Yosmite

    • Will Killyou

      You are an IDIOT!

  • Macworthless

    I told my wife yesterday that I am so frustrated with the sluggishness and basic incompetence of Yosemite, that I am seriously thinking of alternatives to Mac. Mac has basically become crap! Seems that when the wealthiest company in the world starts screwing its customers, a well placed lawsuit could coerce corporate responsibility and service. Anyone for a class action? 🙂

  • Kernos

    Which is why I still use Snow Leopard which also has Rosetta which I need for vertical software. The only real problems are Safari and some minor security problems. I hate the iOS-ification of the newer OSes. They all interfere with my work-flow, important for business.

    • Thü

      Right, me the same. I have PPC software I need. So I stay on Snow Leopard. I have tried Yosemite though, and it feels like stone age of computing to me compared to what I am used to. Its like Apples online services, iTunes, AppStore, Forum, its all so limited in function. Looking for an older version of a software in appStore or filter for specific device lie iPhone 3g? Not possible. Looking for some music only within a certain style? Not possible.

      • Biff Bifferson

        I still use CS2 with Snow Leopard; also Office X. For even older apps I have a G5. I use Teleport so that I only need one keyboard and mouse to switch between my Mac Pro and the G5. Of course it won’t work with Yosemite or El Capitan. I also have Windows 10 Preview on the Mac Pro, which is no worse than El Capitan – a sad day for Apple.

  • Naoyuki Sasanami

    Ok then price up 30 bucks from free. issues will be solved lol yep SL was great for critical use of professionals

  • Chris Dickinson

    One only has to look at how iOS went seriously downhill since iOS 7. I have an iPad 4th generation with iOS 8 and the performance and bugs on it make it almost unusable. It is staggering how Apple is getting away with this. Or maybe that is why iPad sales are down.

    Because of that experience I have refused to downgrade to Yosemite. Apple has some serious software problems going on. So bad that I may never buy another Apple product. So bad it could ruin the company.

  • Patrick Denis

    I totally agree with this article that said Yosemite will run smooth and fast if you have 8 gig of ram and a SSD or SSHD in you computer, i personally believe that the problem lies there and that since Lion.

    • John Beeson

      Yosemite is ruining my job as it constantly hangs, takes ages to restart when the battery is dead.
      It won’t let photoshop 3 run, good job I also have photoshop 4.
      It is the most incompetent upgrade to a system ever and Apple should be ashamed and sued.
      I did not back up my previous operating system so I am stuck at the moment with this piece of crap and
      Apple don’t apologise or offer to reinstall the previous operation system for free. I am very disappointed with Apple and so frustrated with the rubbish system that is Yosemite.

      • David Krmpotic

        Has it improved with latest 10.10.2 update a few days ago? I’m still on Maverics… looks like I won’t downgrade yet but still I’d like to know if it’s any better?

        • DanielKM

          Mine has gotten worse with 10.10.2. E.g. waking from sleep used to only crash the machine if I had disconnected my displayport cable while it slept, it now crashes sporadically even when just using it as a laptop (pocketing and unpocketing it).

        • Geebo Harris

          I’ve been using 10.10.2 since it’s release (and any subsequent mini-updates), my Mac is still about as stable as a house of cards. I get a spontaneous reboot about once a week, and during a cold start it reboots several times in a row before finally actually starting up. When I shut down, maybe 1 out of 3 times it will actually shut down without starting back up on it’s own. You know the “Your computer restarted due to a problem” bug report thingys you get sometimes? I submit one of those EVERY DAY.

          Stick with Mavericks, it was the last stable version of OS X and may be for a very long time the way things are going.

      • RainmakerRaw

        Did the previous version of the OS come installed on that particular machine when it was new? If so you can reboot while holding CMD, Option and R until you see the Apple logo. This will load internet recovery. It will contact Apple’s server to run recovery rather than use the partition on your hard drive. The key difference is that internet recovery will install the version of OS X that came on your machine originally, NOT the version you have installed now (which is what the local recovery partition would try to install). I hope this helps you.
        BTW I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13 (Core i5, 4GB RAM) and it runs like crap and hangs a lot on Yosemite. I actually found this article, and thus your comment, while Googling how to get back to Mountain Lion. I miss Snow Leopard but this machine is too new for it, plus Apple screws over users by not backporting major security fixes, not even back a couple of versions.

        • Fernando Romero

          I too have the mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13 (Core i5, 4GB RAM) bought it with Yosemite installed new to macs and did no research before buying it.man wish I knew cuz I don’t like Yosemite, just for the simple fact, of how it looks seriously many say on how it runs, but I bet it the new ugly look.it has no detail plain color flat,the dock is if how tiger looked,but least tiger still had the 3D look with icons and so forth. There’s only one thing I’m confused about. The macbook pro 15″with i5-Core mid or early 2010 does run snow leopard 10.6.8…..I 5hought it had to be just an Intel .I’ve read many comments, reviews,post,of this and that,seems many people don’t know .that having an i5-Core one can’t install snow leopard .But the macbook pro 15″with i5-Core dose come with snow Leapard osx,seen it on amazon.com well folks it’s confusing, guess it has to do with the year…when your paying well over a $$grand one should have the CHOICE of installing any osx or os but guess apple would loose money like that I n some way,not like there not multi million dollar company bit billow dollar,Greedy there just greedy suckers….

      • Chest Rockwell

        You can reinstall Mavericks for free if you upgraded from Mavericks that is.

    • DanielKM

      I have 8GB RAM and a 512GB SSD in my i7 2014 Air (actually, the “512” GB SSD is a lie by Apple — this CTO version has 500,000,000,000 bytes. The regular versions have truthful numbers, e.g. 256 GB has 256,000,000,000 bytes). Runs horribly. Even with various workarounds to silence the fan, improve battery life, and better performance, I still get complete lockups. I’ve never seen the beachball this much on an SSD-based system, and the lags become so severe that keyboard presses are seriously delayed, even dropped at times.

      • jcrashedata

        Your problem is not your SSD or amount of RAM. Your problem is you have a Macbook Air. Sure, its thin. Sure, its good looking… but did you ever stop and think how you cool that? You make a case that thin, and you destroy your air flow. No air flow equals poor cooling, unless you have liquid cooling… which the Macbook Air is too thin for. You over heat computer hardware and it starts running like Sh*t. I have a mid-2012 non-retina, i5 Macbook Pro (13-inch). It came with 4GB of Ram and a 500 GB HDD. I upgraded it to 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM, and a 480 GB OCZ SSD… and suddenly Yosemite’s problems all disappeared for me… on an i5… lower end than your 2014 i7 processor… I boot in under 12 seconds, and have not had a single crash or freeze since my upgrades. The Air is the worst design for any product Apple has ever come out with. So many heat issues and design flaws, just to look pretty.

        • DanielKM

          I love when someone who knows zilch about engineering uses his “logic” to trump the design decisions of a fleet of educated engineers without even bothering to validate his child-like presumptions with even a minimum of effort. Thanks for the laugh!.

          • jcrashedata

            Bachelors of Science in Computer Science

          • jcrashedata

            Oh, and engineers don’t always know what they are doing. Just take a look at some laptop designs from HP and Dell. By the way, In addition to my BS in CS, I am a wireless engineer.

          • Abraham Girt

            YES! You’re the best!

          • jcrashedata

            Nope. No one is. However, all you have to do is take a look at what Apple does to their BIOS to know that they are not the best out there. For example, did you know that hardware and archetecture wise, the mid-2012 13″ i5 Macbook Pro (and current versions of the 13″ i5 Macbook Pro) is fully capable of running hard drives that are 2TB and larger… but Apple intentionally sets a flag in the EFI bios that makes it not be able to see any hard drive larger than 750 GB, in an effort to force you to buy the higher end, more overpriced i7 Retina versions? I use Windows, Linux and OS X on a daily basis, but in my view Apple is the worst company out there for intentionally crippling their computers to force people to spend more.

          • Abraham Girt

            I know the price is way to high, but Windows PC designs are pretty ugly.

          • floob

            Really? Surface Pro? High end thinkpad? Razer Blade?

          • Abraham Girt

            Of course Windows PC’s are very ugly, and Apple wins at everything on design, power, and OS.

            By the way, every time you buy a PC, the money goes to Bill Gates for sending G.M foods to Africa; for depopulation. (Not joking) If you don’t believe me, look it up.

          • Geebo Harris

            okay crazy.

          • rich5566

            Not anymore kid. Check out this Dell ultra book http://www.neowin.net/news/dell-xps-13-review-sexiest-ultrabook-on-the-market

          • Abraham Girt

            I checked it out, it’s still ugly, nothing beets Apple! By the way, what’s the “kid” thing about?

          • rich5566

            You’re ugly kid, so what’s the difference? At least you have something in common.

          • John Wick

            What do you think of windows 10 compared with shitty Yosemite?

          • Abraham Girt

            Good question! But I can’t really say, because Windows has an even more flat design. But on multi-tasking, Windows wins. And on built-in apps, Windows wins.

          • John Wick

            Really? Windows has built-in apps?

          • Abraham Girt

            I guess so. I read a review on Windows vs Apple, and Windows won on built-in apps.

          • DanielKM

            ROTFLMAO!

          • jcrashedata

            Yeah go a head and laugh… when you all ready admitted you had to disable a bunch of stuff to avoid over heating… which I have not had to do on a lower end Macbook Pro…

          • DanielKM

            That is so cute; clinging to straws to make your statement seem less foolish 🙂 You’re quoting me from another thread 😀 That answer was to Moonchild asking me “Why the fuck did you do that, and how do you expect your air not to overheat over time ?” Cheap attempt, my friend, but worth a try 🙂 My Air has never overheated, not even on Yosemite while compiling homebrews for hours. And, this is the custom one with i7 and the shebangs.

          • jcrashedata

            Well then you are one of the lucky ones. I have seen Airs overheat more times than I can count… and I am not clinging to straws. You specifically used the phrase “from overheating my Air”, which indicates it was at least a potential problem. I have seen the inside of all of Apple’s current laptops, and I am certified by Apple to repair them. The Air is by far the worst for air flow, regardless of what you try to argue. Beyond that I am done with someone who is so insistent it is not a problem, yet takes steps to avoid a problem that supposedly does not exist. (Note: I have replaced the fans in Macbook Airs more times than I can count. Only ever had to replace a fan in a non-Air once). Yeah… I own my own computer services business.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air#Issues (It is a known, documented problem that Apple tried to release a fix for that only partially worked… some still see the problem even on current versions of the Air. Just try loading into Autodesk Maya at default Yosemite settings and rendering an object that is more than a couple of thousand polys at 1080p and watch your i7 Macbook Air meltdown… This is something I do regularly on my Pro without overheating).

          • DanielKM

            Wow, a “wireless engineer” with a “BS in CS” (gotta agree with the BS part) who has his own repair shop. The sky’s the limit. When is the rocket ship ready?

            Thanks for the unknowing words about airflow and overheating, and for the link mentioning the issues with the 7-year-old first generation Air. Very good argument in Time Machine Land. Way to not let history sway you. I mean, we gotta stand our ground on this flat Earth, right?

          • jcrashedata

            I no longer care about what you have to say, as you are someone who admits you did something to avoid overheating but refuse to admit overheating is an issue. A simple Google Search shows that it is in fact still an issue.

          • DanielKM

            I’m not trying to insult you, just pointing out your ignorance (and even if I were trying to insult you, saying that that would make my “arguments invalid” is nonsensical at best). As for having disassembled an Air, sure I have, twice, to fix broken keyboards. As for the “overheating debate,” I already responded to that, but you seem to not have understood it. Apple’s engineers surely aren’t infallible to my eyes, the overheating of early Airs one example to support that (but no, a simple Google search does not show this to still be an issue). Your degree may not be “BS,” but the dumbest people these days get degrees, so there you are…

      • Moonchild

        You silenced the fans. Why the fuck did you do that, and how do you expect your air not to overheat over time ?

        • DanielKM

          I silenced the fans by turning off UI effects to reduce the idling window server’s CPU usage from 30-something percent to around 10 (in Mavericks, idling at 0.1% on the same machine), by making sure network shares were immediately unmounted after use lest they too use waves of CPU and eventually halt the UI, by killing opendirectoryd and notifyd repeatedly when they started going into CPU mayhem mode, etc. etc. etc. That’s “why the fuck” I silenced the fans, to keep Yosemite from overheating my Air.

          • Moonchild

            Then state it better. I thought you somehow turned the fans off at all times ( Alltohugh I have no idea if that possible ).

          • DanielKM

            Or, you could query when you’re in doubt of something. If I said, “I got rid of the would-be burglar,” would you reply, “Why did you kill him?” I’d suggest you ask, “How?” if in doubt rather than assume.

          • Moonchild

            I wasnt in doubt, I misunderstood you, since it seemed like you turned off your fans as if they slowed down your laptop. Just thought, hey another apple fanboy playing the IT engineer.

  • Todd

    Funny I have had fewer problems with 10.10 and i am a seed tester from day one than i have had with any of the last 5 releases. stop using Chrome, of course I would normally tell you to use Firefox, but its not been the best thing of late either. No crashes ever been on 10.10 for the better part of a year, there were things early that just did not work so i bounced back and forth, but overall its never crashed or failed to boot. Of course i adopt the fresh install method for new OS and rarely if ever upgrade. I have 6 different Mac Pro, MacBook pro variants that i have run it on with no crashes.

  • 52RavensLunatic

    The only problems I have had with Yosemite is when I upgraded an existing machine. It definitely slowed things down a bit and that was on a MBPro running an i7 dual core 3 Ghz processor with 8GB of RAM and a 7200 rpm hard drive. I upgraded to a SSD and that returned things to normal and also eliminated the overheating that would occur under heavy loads.

    However, I was still looking for improved performance and just purchased a new iMac 5K Retina 27″. I customized with a 4Ghz quad core i7, 32GB of RAM and a 1TB Fusion drive. It is a very fast machine. Once again I ran into trouble when I attempted to move the applications and data from my MBPro to the iMac using Migration Assistant.

    After several failed attempts and phone calls with support, I scheduled an appointment with the Genius Bar. I spent several hours there as well and the best they could tell me was that there was a hidden file somewhere that was causing the system to get confused and it was creating multiple partitions on the Fusion drive that resulted in the system freezing at boot.

    So I had them re-image the Fusion drive again and then took my iMac home and installed everything from scratch. A PITA and time consuming, but once done, the system works beautifully.

    I would have to agree that when I made the move to Mac a decade ago the simplicity and reliability were the primary motivations. I still believe that much of what makes a Mac a Mac is still simple and easy and allows for greater productivity. However, the complexity has increased greatly and I definitely have to spend more time managing the system. If things continue to improve on the Windows side and the Mac interface continues to have problems, there may come a day when I switch back, but now that I have my speed machine, it will be several years away.

    • Maverick Guy

      Indeed.

  • Yodaweed

    I switched from Snow Leopard to Yosemite and have regretted it ever since. I have the original Snow Leopard disk that came with my Macbook pro. I came across this article while trying to find instructions on how to wipe and go back to Snow Leopard. Anyone out there know how please oh please give me a shout.

    • David Krmpotic

      Is it any better with the latest Yosemite update a few days ago (27.1.2015)?

      • Yodaweed

        Hey Dave, not that I don’t appreciate Apple forcing an update on me but my issues are more than what A patch can address. My issue is with functionality. One example being how much better I found exspose and spaces than mission control…this may just come down to preference. One of my big complaints is that I personally find Yosemite to be RAM hungry, laggy, slow, glittchy and just not as solid and reliable as I found Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard was a bullet proof tank that gave enverything and asked for nothing, quick snappy, responsive and low maintenance / demand. I am getting pretty close to using the factory disks and going back. However at the end of the day each person uses their personal computer differently so everyone has a different experience…I would still take Mac over Windows any day hands down, that said, I am seriously considering going with Umbutu or something like it next time around just to see what that’s like.

        • David Krmpotic

          OK but “RAM hungry, laggy, slow, glittchy” is something that an update should fix… UI changes (to revert them) probably not… But if you want something that works although it has modern UI changes, why not use Mavericks? Snow Leopard is outdated… Mavericks should be solid, it is for me… and since I don’t really need the new Yosemite features I’ll wait for at least the next update.

          • Yodaweed

            Dave, I am not trying to get adversarial here but with all due respect but I don’t see why one should assume an update should be expected to magically fix everything. You say, “‘RAM hungry, laggy, slow, glittchy’ is something that an update should fix… ” well, respectfully no, I dont accept that premise, because it’s not necessarily correct. It depends on the update and more importantly the issues and how the OS itself functions. Fact is Yosemite works differently and eats a lot of RAM, I am far from the only one saying this. It has different system demands than Snow Leopard. As for Snow Leopard being “outdated” my response would simply be “So what?” If those “outdated” features and functionality don’t affect what I do, why should I care. If it works for me than that’s all that matters at the end of the day. Take a look at Windows XP if you want to talk about the staying power of an “outdated” OS. Personally my big gripe is that Apple is turning into Microsoft and adopting their methodology of rushing out a new OS over and over with all sorts of problems and then working backwards to patch them. I would rather they went back to the drawing board and spent some time getting it right, robust, simple, low maintenance, low demand, and something you can personalize. That’s what Snow Leopard was and why I like it.

          • David Krmpotic

            Yes I see… and I agree. If Yosemite really eats up a lot of RAM by design then that’s too bad and probably really can only be fixed in an update that is the next version of OSX… but if something can be done in this version about glitches and other bugs, I hope they will get there in a few months. I actually heard from a friend that Yosemite should be more performant than for example Mavericks… will ask him again about that RAM thing.

            Snow Leopard -> yes great if it works for you, the problem you will likely have is that newer apps don’t work. I was asking why not Mavericks since it’s quite good but if you have resons SL is better for you then why not… I still use WinXP in a virtual machine too… mostly because of little resources it takes… so this is a similar reason for you sticking to SL probably… but check if Mavericks doesn’t take even less resources.. I know it’s faster for sure, they really made great changes exactly in Mavericks, I remember the feeling after the update: it was much faster and more responsive than Mountain Lion.

          • Chest Rockwell

            well said

    • disqus_wfQmyPFGLY

      I reverted back to Snow Leopard after installing Mountain Lion when it came out. It was ram hungry and I also didn’t like that they got rid of expose and spaces, which I use intuitively. You need to get an external HD and save your files, then do a clean install and reload your programs. It took me a full day to complete, but I’m much happier now.

      • Yodaweed

        I am getting there. I want to put aside a day and do it but with work its just such a pain in the ass. I am getting closer everyday mind you.

    • SamSam Sam

      I downgraded also, couldn’t take it anymore.
      Step 1) Back up all files, applications, and necessary things.
      Step 2) Restart and hold Cmd + R
      Step 3) Select Disk Utility and ERASE the “Macintosh HD” WARNING EVERYTHING WILL BE ERASED!
      Step 4) Boot up from your Snow Leopard Disk by holding “C” at start up.

      • Yodaweed

        Hey, Thank you so much for that…Going to do it when I get a lull in the work load.

        • SamSam Sam

          No Prob 🙂 Just remember… Back up and Stay safe. Apple needs to adopt the older system of updating OS’s every 20~30 months. We don’t need bug filled OS’s Every year.

          • Yodaweed

            Amen Brother! I dunno what they are up to over at Apple but if it aint broke dont fix it. These new approaches they are taking smack of the microsoft crap that sent me running from windows. Dont change a winning recipe.

  • Bryan W (Ragnar.Kon)

    Couldn’t disagree more, and I don’t get it at all.

    There are four Macs in my household, and I use three more Macs on a daily basis at work. Yosemite has been absolutely flawless for me. Photoshop, Word, Premiere Pro, Avid Media Composer, etc. etc. all run flawlessly.

    I had MORE issues with Snow Leopard at launch than Yosemite. The Guest account bug in Snow Leopard destroyed tons of my data, and for the first month or so I couldn’t even use my external Firewire drives. Granted Snow Leopard did improve with time and ended up being one of my favorite versions of OS X… but it definitely wasn’t without its major problems.

    • megadroid

      The guest account bug was a big screw-up, I remember that, although not affected by it. But SL’s last version was considered (and I guess still is) a corner stone for Apple.

  • DanielKM

    Just read this while waiting for the Mavericks createinstallmedia process to finish, so that I can get rid of this virus called Yosemite. I joined the OS X game with Lion, coming from Kubuntu, so I’ve never really used Snow Leopard, and thus cannot vouch for its qualities. I was very happy with Mountain Lion, but the timer coalescence and app nap features added to Mavericks were just to good for me not to upgrade. Mavericks had its issues, but after a number of minor upgrades, at least to me, it was pretty awesome. Yosemite is actually getting worse with each of the two minor updates that have been released so far. Baffling. Your points are spot-on, either a new “0 new features” release is needed, some community-based fork if at all possible, or your hilariously dubbed “Death Valley” version 😀 Thanks for that laugh 😀 LOL. Can’t wait to get back to stable Mavericks which can actually reboot and not crash after sleeping. And which will once again spin down the in Yosemite ever-busy fan on my 2014 MacBook Air. Good riddance.

  • Stefano Marsella

    l am currently using mavericks i have a 2013 mbpri ( i only have 2.49 GB of space on my ssd Yosemite requires 4.86) i havemt had any issues until recently when i had 4.60 GB OF memory but IT RANDOMLY DISAPPEARED , i had 1.50 GB the next day i DIDNT download anything i just used the computer to surf the web and play mc . apart from that i ran out of memory as u can c nd i forgot my password to my profile on the computer which was reset with a simple command i found on apple support chat.

    • soulfrost

      Double check if the app store downloaded the install file for yosemite, it’d be in the app folder, delete it and have your space back. That’s my only guess

  • Abraham Girt

    Is this article saying to upgrade, or not?

  • SamSam Sam

    I think OS X Quality is degrading significantly. The only stable Mac OS was Snow Leopard. Now there are a plethora of bugs, and upgrading to a new OS causes MORE problems. I have had a Mac for 5 years now, but Snow Leopard by far was the best. The “just works” doesn’t work now. Apple, you need to spend more time developing bug-free, professional, and stable OS releases.

  • Abraham Girt

    Yes, I agree, OS X Yosemite is a bug-full, snoopy, ugly UI mess. If you haven’t already upgraded, don’t!

  • sim303

    I switched to Apple early 2014, with a MBPr. I use it for software development. It’s a great machine but I am very unimpressed by the instability of the OS. Mavericks was so-so, but Yosemite was just atrocious until 10.10.2, with spontaneous reboots maybe once or twice a day. Big mistake accepting that “upgrade”! It’s improved now now but it’ll still just reboot occasionally (yesterday for example…). To sum up: Easily the least stable machine I’ve had in 10 years. So much for “Built on rock solid foundations of UNIX” or whatever it was they used to claim. 🙁

  • Maverick Guy

    Yep

  • nomad_dreamer

    Totally agree. I regret, every day that I’ve upgraded my OS. Everyday I have freezes issues, I can’t even count how many times I lost wifi connection. Also, I can’t seem to share directly my pages document using share if I need to convert it into word document. WTH!

  • Stophy

    It also cripples compatibility – not just with 3rd party software, but with Apple’s own software! I have to keep Mountain Lion so my expensive plugins for pro apps are compatible, so I cant open keynote files made in newer versions because they aren’t backward compatible, and I can’t upgrade because the new keynote doesn’t work in Mountain Lion, so I’m stuck in a weird place because a lot of pro software doesn’t upgrade as often. Never had this with windows!

  • Geebo Harris

    Good article, I agree 100%. Very disappointed here with Yosemite. My MacPro which has been my main workhorse, solid and reliable since 2008, is like a house of cards with Yosemite. I never even thought about the artificial pace of a yearly OS release until I read your article, but if that’s what is happening here then Apple needs to cut it out. They need to knuckle down and fix Yosemite!

  • Will Killyou

    Jobs dies quick then apple dies slowly…

  • esolesek

    I don’t know about Yosemite, but this doesn’t make me want to go there. I was fine in Snow Leopard land, then I bought the last good mac mini i7s (because the new ones are POS). Most things are ok in Mountain Lion, but a few things are not – the finder is an atrocity that finds nothing, and now I’m discovering problems in my audio interfaces. I may be a PC person in a couple of years. I’m done with this nonsense about promoting gadgetry over functionaility for the people that actually do real things with computers.

  • Gibson355

    to add that we had just ordered the focusrite and novation 25sl Mkii to run logic but it will have to be returned there is no way it is going to run if it hangs on clicking a file to open it.

  • Gibson355

    I only upgraded because the hardware did not recognise 10.6.8 (Novation 25MKii) so now what do we do with Yositrash! Have to transfer our files and start again, haven’t they stopped downloading snow lep and lion? Where has my other listing gone? I just upgraded from 10.6.8 to the free yositrash and it hangs for 8 seconds each time we try and open a file, thought April the first had passed. We are running a MacBook Pro 2.2GHz intel core i7…absolute rubbish and now we are screwed!

  • Gibson355

    ps what is with all these adverts that pop up for BT wi fi ffs! This is the 10.10.3 version of yosiwash!

  • KWL

    Not ready to give up Mac yet, and I am a recent Windows covert, but very, very seriously thinking of reinstalling back to previous version before Yosemite, Mountain Lion, Snow Leopard, whichever, as those two were the ones that cemented my move to Mac, made a lot of everything I need to do, so much better. But, Yosemite? Really, severely, irritatingly testing my patience. Hopefully Apple will come up with another release that’s back to the quality of those previous OSs.

    And, those that are having no issues and then have no problem blaming users? Congratulations, you’re just as irritating and useless as Yosemite.

    KWL

  • scott fiddis

    You upgraded to quickly mate, you never upgrade to the first edition of the OS, you need to wait till the bugs have been smoothed out and patches made for faults discovered. It seems sometimes that they beta test the software and fix/patch from errors discovered from a mass user base. Does seem cost effective in a sense, you’re not going to get such a result from a paid beta test group which would be smaller.

  • robbie

    The joys of having an SSD 2010 Macbook Pro with Snow Leopard 🙂

  • Daniëlle Zana

    With a Mac, its always best to keep the OS X it came shipped with. Mine I got with mavericks on, and not upgrading because I would know I would have endless issues. Even with Mavericks one of the updates caused the VRAM to be reduced causing photoshop and other art programs, and 3D editing programs to spaz out. So I had stopped updating to the point up to this specific update, thought still update with other things like video codecs , safari etc. I still prefer mountain lion with a number of things, but since my computer came with Mavericks I leave it with Mavericks for its life.

    • RainmakerRaw

      Which would be great… if Apple didn’t consistently refuse to release critical security patches for anything but the latest OS. Everything prior (including Mavericks, ML and Lion) is therefore left wide open. For example the Rootpipe vulnerability was only patched in 10.10.3 and everything earlier has been left vulnerable. There are many other examples even just in the last 12 months. I’d wager you’d be safer running Windows XP than an older version of OS X.

      • Karl Grosvenor

        Yes Microsoft do treat their computer users much better than Apple do!

  • Chest Rockwell

    Yosemite is Apple’s Vista. But actually, Vista was useable. Maybe Yosemite is a hybrid of Windows Vista and 8. Either way it’s awful and I have gone back to Mavericks.

    • David Krmpotic

      I’m happy I never upgraded and obviously my friends don’t know what they are talking about (?!) … I asked repeadetly if Yosemite is good or not… “Yes, quite ok for me”/// bleh. Happy I didn’t give in… hopefully I can skip that version alltogether.

    • Abraham Girt

      Well done, good… GREAT!

  • cmorris

    I’ll second the weird performance issues with Yosemite… I’ve not had stability problems as such, but the login time performance is abysmal! (By login time I mean that the time it takes to get from my username/password login screen to a desktop with all the applications ready to work sometimes is pushing two minutes. And I don’t start up any applications other than a terminal where I wrote a command script to record the login times so that I /know/ how long it takes to complete the login cycle!) I’m a professional UNIX engineer — I understand the details of how these things work — but I’ve been unable to find a clear cause for this performance issue.

  • Dan Meyers

    I still run my entire business on 10.6.8. Amazing, rock solid, runs Power PC programs (would cost me $6,000 to upgrade). Sorry apple but 10.6.8 is the top of your arch and I look forward to the day you surpass it.

  • Sacha

    I totally agree, I also think that Apple should have provided an option to switch back to old interface. I really hope Apple don’t do what they did wiith Yosemite with the next release. Good article.

  • Pakk1969

    Funny, I haven’t experienced even one of the major issues you described on any of the three Yosemite boxes we run at home. Then again, we clean-installed all of them, and made sure they each had the prerequisite amount of memory installed before upgrading. Maybe I jumped in after Apple addressed these issues, but I find Yosemite to be far-and-away the best and most stable user experience on the market. (In the interest of full disclosure, I’m a filmmaker and graphic designer, so the tools I use aren’t available on Linux and usually run better on a Mac than a Windows box … damn Microsoft refuses to play nice with Pantone and all but ignores proper font metrics. So, there’s that. )

  • Максим Буньков

    Absolutely agree ‪#‎Apple‬ it’s Sucks!!! Let’s go sell ur Apple devices! Really i need Snow Leopard more and more after each new ‪#‎facking‬ ‪#‎update‬ from ‪#‎FackingApple‬. WindowService always 200% CPU usage….

  • Pam Buckshon

    I have an idea! Let’s wait until we have something of value to offer before releasing a new ANYTHING 🙂

  • Pier

    I can only agree. Yosemite is the worst OSX I have ever used. As usual, Apple is either ignoring it’s users or pretending like there is no problem. With 10.11 they keep working on gimmicks like cursor location, fullscreen split, new typography, etc, instead of focusing on what matters: performance and stability.

    I switched to Apple almost a decade ago running away from Windows blue screens, and now Windows 10 is faster and more stable than OSX has ever been.

  • Lisa

    Whew read heaps of this.. just now using beta of El Capitan… not too bad…

    • DanielKM

      Second that. I got a brand spanking new Air at my new job, and from day one it was crashing and locking up on Yosemite. My CTO was running Capitan beta 5 and said there were no real problems, so I installed it as well. It’s so much more stable than Yosemite, and blazing fast. The _real_ beta here is Yosemite, and it has always been.

      It’s fantastic that what this blog post called for — another Snow Leopard — is actually what we’re getting!

  • Gibson355

    Perhaps Apple would explain why we wait 4 seconds before anything happens when clicking on a button since upgrading. My laptop was fine on Snow Leopard and then upgraded to Yosemite….dreadful, black screen problems and incredibly slow. Good job that we have a desktop on 10.6.8 version. Someone should sue Apple for screwing up their macs, we rarely are able to use the MacBook Pro…£1700 down the drain since upgrade, bar stewards!

  • CharlesLittle2

    I couldn’t agree more! This is a great article. Thanks for writing.

  • Dan Meyers

    I still run my 8 employee marketing company on 10.6.8. Rock solid in every way. Haven’t rebooted in months.

  • Karl Grosvenor

    I have a mac mini 4.1 that’s the first aluminium model and am still using Snow Leopard.I am more than happy with it I did try mountain Lion but it slowed down my computer too much and I lost front Row so went back.I also have an emac and a 2001 imac running tiger which still work well.

  • Ota Otaria

    I have to say, Apple should understand that NOT all the Mac user have a damn iPhone!!!! I’m happy with my Android and I couldn’t care less about connectivity between an iPhone that I don’t have and my laptop. Why not just use a special app for this that manages the phone, so I would not install it? This crazy integration of devices is a big problem!
    I bought a used 2011 Mac book pro and I was so happy it was so smooth and fast (I’ve always had windows).
    Then Mavericks came! The first release worked fine, then between software updates and is updates something went wrong… the laptop took ages to do anything, I couldn’t have 2 or 3 desktops working at the same time as I had before etc. Then I decided to update to Yosemite to see if it would improve. Big mistake. After 6 months I couldn’t take it anymore. I was wondering why I spent so much for an apple product to have waiting times of a windows 98!!!!
    And the Bluetooth was a pain in the ass, working one time out of 10…I was using Bluetooth speakers so you can imagine!

    God bless time machine! I spent half a day going back to mavericks and I was doing fine until last week, when something went wrong (maybe new app I installed could be the culprit). The HD had serious problems and I decided to format it (had last backup from 23th November in case).

    So I did internet recovery (couldn’t start my system at all!) And I made a fresh reinstall of lion.
    Then I wondered what went wrong… I like the lion graphics so much more…!

    I’m afraid that lion would have too much compatibility issues with apps rather than mavericks but I wanted to try it out. The Mac is fast as when I bought it!
    I saw the new El Capitan update and I decided to give it a try. Works great at the moment, but the Mac is empty. Now I’m trying to migrate my info and see how it goes.
    I hope that the El Capitan is the new snow leopard!

    I think in the last 3 years Apple screw it up. If using your Mac makes you want to switch to Microsoft I would say it’s very dangerous for the company!
    We paid a lot more for our mac and in return we expect a higher quality that should come from a company that manufactures both the hard drive and the OS! The past 2 years I saw lots of frustrations. Not trusting your laptop it’s really uncomfortable.

  • ull

    My main os is windows 10 on my thinkpad. Secondary os are linux and osx. So i don’t often read mac news and i don’t know how new macs and osx evolved. i guess there is more macusers but with less apple culture

    I still have an old macbook 13 i use sometimes. (the white color design was very nice, i really like the vintage look of macs)
    Today, i decided to put back snow leopard instead of lion. Lion was slow, especially when it comes to graphical. There is more overheating too.
    i’m not surprised to enjoy the new macbook again. Snow leopard is really nice, rather quick. You feel you come back to what osx should be.
    Even the UI interraction is better as it doesn’t try to do any compromise with ios.
    Snow leopard is probably the best apple os of the decade.

  • David Krmpotic

    I think we may be bashing Apple too much… I think they are really trying and El Capitan is actually awesome.

    The problem, I think, is that they move quickly and so people using their very old hardware start having problems after about 5 years. My MacBook pro is now 5 years old but still going strong, but this is because it’s last 5 years when Moore’s law stopped working more or less… so if you have 10 years or so old laptop, new OS-es will be extremely slow.

  • Tom Bombadil

    I’m still using Mac OS X at my home business. I also use Snow Leopard Server, Apple’s last “business class” server. Lion Server is a joke. I bet the other releases (Mountain Lion Server, Mavericks Server, et cetera) are no better.

    One thing about Snow Leopard is that it is the last OS that has Rosetta (which lets me run old PPC apps). I have several PPC apps that work just fine, and would cost a bundle to “upgrade”. For example, Adobe Illustrator, Quark XPress. I also have one mission-critical PPC app that is not even made anymore, Mac Links Plus, so I couldn’t upgrade that if I wanted to. “If it isn’t broken, DON’T FIX IT.”

  • Jherson Lopez

    looks like apple just likes to put out new operating systems, instead of solidifying and stabilizing their current ones

  • Bojan Marsetic

    I still use Snow Leoprad :)))))))))))))))) beside Internet all apps works just fine.

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